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2020 Defender Max HD10 Secondary Clutch Issue


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I have used this rig for a year and have 2,200 miles on it. One morning I woke and got ready to head out to hunt, and the rig started but it was as if the choke was on and it sputtered and would not run properly. We drove it close by the camp and it just would not get put of that choking-sputtering mode. I remembered that sometimes a gas cap can be an issue, maybe a vapor lock, whatever, but I opened the cap, closed it, and the rig started and ran fine. We put about 10 miles on it, and it sputtered again. Did the gas cap thing again, and it started and ran. It wasn't right however, and the check engine light came on

I decided it was a sensor issue, some sort of vapor lock, some filter, something like that, and took it in for service which was due anyway.

The dealer told me it was the secondary clutch. It had been driven poorly and not broken in right, and the clutch wheels were grooved and the belt was "glazed over". I was told that the sputtering was due to the rig going into limp home mode. I am here to tell you it would not limp anywhere. Had I not stumbled upon that gas cap idea, we would have been walking.

Now I put dang near every mile on that rig, and I babied it. I put it in low gear on hills, and thought I had really taken it easy. I do carry lots of gear, and I often have a load of hunters and coolers, etc., but this thing is designed for six people with a payload in the bed that was never exceeded.

I had to wait for two months for the part, which the dealer said is a sign that others may be having this issue.

Has anyone else had this problem? This was supposed to be the biggest-baddest-toughest, and it doesn't seem that way so far. I don't think it is too much to ask a 6-seater to carry four men plus a cooler, and maybe a hog or two.

Despite being just a year old and only 2,200 miles, it was not covered under warranty. Not real pleased at the moment and would welcome any input.         

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Sorry to hear about your issues:

1) The gas tank has two valves located on top of the tank (where the fuel pump goes into the tank), one allows the tank to vent if the fuel is getting hot and building pressure and the second one allows air in (your potential problem) as you burn fuel. If your tank is bulging and you get air expelled when you open the cap replace the vent valve if the tank is collapsing and you get a sucking sound when you open the cap replace the inlet valve (both are located in the plastic line).

2) The clutch system should have an indicator or message when the belt is slipping and the unit should be shifted into low gear to prevent excessive slippage. Have you seen the light or message? A glazed belt does indicate excessive slippage causing heat to build up in the belt, the belt will actually change color as it gets hotter. 

3) Did the dealer check your clutches to make sure that there was no broken rollers (2) in the secondary or a binding or defective spring? Did the primary clutch engage at around 1800-2000 RPM or was it higher indicating that the primary may need a new spring or there are some stuck clutch levers? Was there a lot of belt dust in the clutch cover? 

4) Grooved sheaves are an indication that the belt was running and slipping in one area for quite a period of time. Did you get water in the belt guard and continue driving it without draining the guard and drying out the belt etc?

I realize that these are not solutions but things to look at when trying to find a solution, good luck.🤔

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Thanks Andy,

It went from just fine to not good at all seemingly instantly.

as to:

1) I have not noticed any bulging or collapsing when I open the gas cap.

2) I also have not noticed the warning light come on. They showed me the parts and he did say that the belt was glazed.

3) cannot speak to that, hopefully they were competent

4) there were some grooves that could be felt, but I am in a very dry climate (less than 1/2 inch rain this winter so far) and I don't have any real creeks or rivers to cross, etc. The dealer where I bought it told me literally nothing about any of this. The dealer that did the repairs is much close to where the unit lives, and they told me about draining the guard if I think it got wet.

It just seems all to delicate for a brand new and heavy duty unit like this. I am hoping the repaired rig will perform better, I know I will surely be extreeemely careful with it. I have joked about just leaving it in low range ... 

 

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Can ams warranty OR LACK THERE OF!!! SUCKS!!! Blew my Viscolok front diff.... less than 12 months and under 2000 miles... was told, "warranty doesn't cover that if it's broken" I looked at him (trying not to punch him in the face) and said, "WHY THE "F" WOULD I NEED IT WARRANTED IF IT WEREN'T BROKEN?!!!!" It's like they have a 12 step warranty. 12 steps out the door? WARRANTY IS OVER!!! So now I will be installing a Halo locker..... So lets see.... Front axles..... NO WARRANTY!!! Faulty window switches.... NO WARRANTY!!! DPS on the fritz.... NO WARRANTY!!! OR TIME!!! Left front caliper??? You guessed it.... NO WARRANTY!!!! NOW THE FRONT DIFF???? WOW!!!! AND I LOVE THIS THING????? YEP!!! LOVE MY BEAR.... HATE MY MANUFACTURERS BULL PUCKY!!! Hence the reason I bought a buds unit!!! (Aftermarket)

Pretty IRRITATING to say the least

Joe

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On 1/7/2021 at 1:23 AM, A hunt 2 remember said:

Can ams warranty OR LACK THERE OF!!! SUCKS!!! Blew my Viscolok front diff.... less than 12 months and under 2000 miles... was told, "warranty doesn't cover that if it's broken" I looked at him (trying not to punch him in the face) and said, "WHY THE "F" WOULD I NEED IT WARRANTED IF IT WEREN'T BROKEN?!!!!" It's like they have a 12 step warranty. 12 steps out the door? WARRANTY IS OVER!!! So now I will be installing a Halo locker..... So lets see.... Front axles..... NO WARRANTY!!! Faulty window switches.... NO WARRANTY!!! DPS on the fritz.... NO WARRANTY!!! OR TIME!!! Left front caliper??? You guessed it.... NO WARRANTY!!!! NOW THE FRONT DIFF???? WOW!!!! AND I LOVE THIS THING????? YEP!!! LOVE MY BEAR.... HATE MY MANUFACTURERS BULL PUCKY!!! Hence the reason I bought a buds unit!!! (Aftermarket)

Pretty IRRITATING to say the least

Joe

what aftermarket buds unit did you buy?

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